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...I've had them before. They just want to get out there and shake all over! They are just so gosh-darned excited about bellydancing, but they aren't patient enough with themselves to learn it. So, they end up doing an imitation of the movement that is just....well, all over the place. I love this type of student. They LOVE dancing. They are sweet, positive, and so supportive of the dance and you as an instructor/mentor. However, I can never seem to actually get their technique as refined as the other students. I want to impress upon them that having good technique doesn't mean taking away the raw passion of the dance. In fact, I think you are better able to express it! So, how do I pull her back down to earth to teach her without crushing her spirit? Can it be done?
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Re: How to teach my favorite type of student
Wed, September 2, 2009 - 10:14 AMDear Bastet,
I am not sure if you are talking about beginner or continuing students, so I will try to cover both.
Beginners are often this on fire and it takes a lot of individual, one on one class time to get their attention to go where it should. They usually outgrow this and begin to settle down and learn more seriously after a few months. Either that or they figure out the dance is not for them and move on to another interest. My beginning class lasts a year and usually by that time, the more serious dancers have calmed down from that initial high and are ready to move into a more intense learning mode.
In continuing classes, your problem might mean that the person still has undying enthusiasm for the dance, but perhaps will never quite get it the way that the other members of the class do. Maybe she is wired differently or maybe she is lazy and does not practice at home, or maybe she is just not good at this or that movement. ( I have on movement I have been working on for about 20 years off and on that I just can not make look good...and I have been dancing for 35 years, so I am conscious of this as an issue for my students, also.)
The important thing here is that you give it all you have to try to teach her the movement and then remember that there is a limit to how much you can actually get another person to do for various reasons. The class room is a place where the teacher and student each give what they have to give and you are responsible for half the learning process, not all of it.
Regards,
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Re: How to teach my favorite type of student
Wed, September 2, 2009 - 11:25 AMGreat advice, A'isha
I have had a couple students who have benefited greatly from a simple one on one chat- usually folks who have been dancing at least a year, enthusiastic etc. I start by recognizing their strong points, but tell them that based on what I have seen from them, I tell them I expect a lot more *because* I know they are capable of it. I see the potential, and if they really want to progress, I am going to be harder on them in class. If they understand this and want to be pushed in this way, I do start 'picking on them' in class. The class knows what I am doing, so no one thinks I am being mean, or ignoring them for not doing this for them- and I make it clear that I am willing to do this for anyone who wants to be challenged. I do have very diverse classes, especially in my beginning classes, with folks who are bare beginners just trying it out, folks who are in it for fun & don't necessarily have a great drive to progress quickly & folks willing to work their bum off to get everything in line & advance more quickly. I do have smaller classes (limit 12 folks so I can really give everyone attention) and this works well for me.
I almost see this as a milestone moment- even if they are not 'graduating' to a higher level class, this kind of recognition acknowledges the progress they have already made and tells them they are moving on to a level of higher expectations. You could think of it as a periodic evaluation if you like. It often is precursor to an invitation to my advanced class- we talk about exactly what they need to work on personally to prepare for moving into another class.
I also make a point, when I take classes, to ask the instructor for this kind of correction. Don't let me slide by, I really need someone to hold me accountable!!! -
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Re: How to teach my favorite type of student
Wed, September 2, 2009 - 10:43 PMI was like that at first. I felt that I needed to hit every beat, and that is not what it is about. Maybe she needs to hear that you aren't supposed to hit every beat, and that the dance is about control with only the occaisional wild abandon thrown in. She may welcome this, as sustaining that energy can be exhausting!
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Re: How to teach my favorite type of student
Thu, September 24, 2009 - 1:17 PMA bit off topic, but I have a question about your beginner class. I think it's awesome that you have a year long course. But how do you handle sign up? Do you have your students sign up for a year, or do you just continue the material for a year? How do you handle new students?
Just curious about your method. :)
Thanks,
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Re: How to teach my favorite type of student
Thu, September 24, 2009 - 2:36 PMDear Nefabit,
I think this might be directed at me. If not, sorry for the interjection. I think I am one of the few dancers who does the year long beginner thing, because I don't think time constraints in many programs allow for it, such as classes at the YWCA, through Parks and Rec or through Extended Learning.. For this reason I have found it better to work in a studio, as I think you do, too.
I charge by the month and have a drop-in rate by the class because I tend to have a lot of visitors to class from town and from out of town.(Last Sunday, Cherri Bell from Juneau , Alaska took class while she was in town! Are you on this Tribe, Cherri??)) Very few people have the money to pay close to $500.00 in a single payment for dance. The most I have ever done was one student who paid for 6 months at a time, because that worked for her, and also she had made the investment and felt the need to honor that by being in class. She was afraid she might otherwise get lazy!
Beginning class is a class based on a lot of review in many different ways. We start with bare bones fundamental movement and the rest of the year is building our skills and knowledge of dance and music, cultural stuff, history, costuming, etc from there. Since we constantly touch back on those 10 fundamentals, we always have room for new students until after we learn a short choreography, about 7-8 months into the year, depending on the aptitude of the majority of the class. By then we have studied fundamentals in detail, musical relationship to movement, learned some variations and perhaps started with some layers, learned a little about phrasing through the use of choreography, etc. Since at this point, I introduce veils and cymbals, I like the dancers who are continuing in the beginning class to have some dance background, though if someone really wants to join and see if they can manage the class, I let them.
Even my continuing students are constantly guided back to fundamentals. Without them, there is no strong foundation in the dance. ( I only have continuing and beginning classes. I am structured a little differently because my beginning classes are a year long and after that point, those who move on have enough knowledge to take them on to any depth of study as far as becoming accomplished dancers, because they understand where movement comes from and what shapes the dance besides mere movement.
I hope this was helpful, even if the questions have been meant for another person, LOL!
BTW, you live in Spokane, I think,and if you ever want to take a class to see my method close up, I have a continuing class on Sundays from 10 AM- 11 AM and a beginning class from 6:30- 7:30 on Thursdays.
Regards,
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Re: How to teach my favorite type of student
Fri, September 25, 2009 - 4:49 PMHi A'isha!
Oops, I should have specified who it was directed at! It was a question for you, so no worries. ;)
Thanks for your explanation! I was very curious about how you run things. My full intro course rotates on a six to eight month basis, and I'm always really excited when a student makes it through the whole course! However my level one is a lot more comprehensive, and I guess when I think about it, it would end up being at least a year long. Hm.
I also handle payment on a monthly basis. My students pay 40.00 upfront for once a week classes for a month, though many students come twice a week. I will usually allow drop in students, but lately I've been having trouble with people assuming that they can pay ten dollars at each lesson! Which would be fine, except that my policy is that if a student misses a class, they just miss it. No refunds, no rollovers. If people pay ten dollars at each class, I end up not getting the ten dollars for the week they missed. I keep my classes very small (six students) and for that reason, I tell my students they are not paying for each class, they are paying for their spot in the class. But sometimes people don't seem to get these points. :P Has anyone else had trouble with that? What are your policies on rollovers and refunds?
Anyway, thanks again, and it was helpful! :)
Nefabit
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Re: How to teach my favorite type of student
Thu, September 3, 2009 - 5:11 PMDo you ever try teaching a breathing exercise first & then show the girls how to breathe into their movements...
breathe with the beat of the drum like it is the beat of their heart... start off with a nice slow obvious rhythm and show them how their bodies need to BE the rhythm?
That might help- since you can't breathe too fast without hyperventilating- it might give them something to focus their movement on so they aren't just "going for it"
Just keep reminding them that an even steady movement is more becoming than a big fast movement (you can demonstrate that by making them do it for an extended period of time)- Also tell them to "follow through" each move, give each move the attention it deserves from start to finish- don't cut it short anticipating the next move (that is actually something I used to get reprimanded about back in my early days)
It may help them to visualize that they have this ball of energy that they are moving along their body and they need to always know where that "energy ball" is- it should be very obvious where it is and where it is traveling- never drop it, hide it, lose it, always keep it in your control.
I also think it helps to actually touch students and position their bodies sometimes- the correct posture is really important and it seems like sometimes instructors are afraid to correct their students posture mistakes... it can be awkward, you don't want to embarass anyone... encouraging words like "does this feel better?" "This will protect your ____" "being in this position makes the movement more visible to your audience" statements like that can help them feel encouraged as opposed to being corrected. -
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Re: How to teach my favorite type of student
Fri, September 11, 2009 - 10:43 AMI do all these things with all my students -except touching people. It's only with my intermediate/advanced students that I do this-people with whom I have a trusting relationship. I've always been nervous about how people will react if I touch them, and even if they say they are fine with it, the potential problems it can cause. (My dad was a school teacher for 30 yrs, so the "no touching" is really ingrained.) -
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Re: How to teach my favorite type of student
Thu, September 24, 2009 - 1:20 PMI usually don't have a problem with firm, professional touching to adjust their bodies. If I have any doubt that they're comfortable, I ask permission to touch them. I've never had a problem with it, and I find it's the best way to correct posturing. Sometimes people don't realize they're doing what you say they are, even looking at themselves in the mirror. Things like holding one arm lower than the other, pushing the chest too far forward, pointing the toes outward instead of forward, etc.
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Re: How to teach my favorite type of student
Fri, September 4, 2009 - 8:00 AMI think getting them to think about their dance from "the other side" i.e. the audience, is helpful.
That is, you explain how hitting every beat or being very busy is tiring for the audience to watch - and that's why there needs to be "pauses" (poses) in the dance -
And help them understand "what is beautiful" about good technique (clean lines of the body, and well-executed movements) - and why they will be very beautiful dancers if they pay attention to those details.
I find these very enthustiastic students are still immersed in dreams of bellydance, and just need to get out of their heads a little bit - but that shouldn't kill their enthusiasm, especially if they see the benefits. -
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Re: How to teach my favorite type of student
Sat, September 5, 2009 - 12:16 AMI am a "touchy" teacher, too! Some people are uncomfortable with it at first, but I a)make it fun and funny and b) tell them when and where I am going to touch them. Sometimes I am simply holding one part STILL while I am telling them which part to move! I would say to not be afraid of touching students. I believe it actually helps instill more confidence. I am not a "touchy feely" person with people I don't know, but teaching dance is a totally different situation.
Video students during part of class and show them the difference in what you are doing and what they are doing. That seems very effecting. -
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Re: How to teach my favorite type of student
Sat, September 5, 2009 - 6:01 AMI only touch a student after I get their permission--such as when they need me to hold their hips to guide them in a move they simply aren't getting. I always ask, "do you mind if I touch you to show you?" After being in the legal field for 17 yrs. I am just very cautious. -
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Re: How to teach my favorite type of student
Wed, September 9, 2009 - 7:16 PMYeah, I always ask before touching a student, but tend not to unless the movement is *really* not right.
Funny, even my advanced students are weird about touching--in circles and such they resist actually putting their hands/arms on one another. Must be a wonky cultural thing. -
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Re: How to teach my favorite type of student
Fri, September 11, 2009 - 10:46 AMIt's so nice to hear that other instructors are very particular about touching students, too!
Just to clarify, this IS a beginner student (~2mo old). Maybe I'll ask her if I can move her body physically next week. Any suggestions on how to bring it up? I'm also VERY careful about singling people out in class. I was mortified when teachers did that to me as a baby-bellydancer....I don't want to do that to other people. -
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Re: How to teach my favorite type of student
Fri, September 11, 2009 - 3:23 PMWhen everyone's drilling a certain move, approach each student & ask them if they would like help. If yes, assist, if no, move on. That way it becomes an integrated part of your lesson, nobody feels singled out and everyone gets the opportunity for individual assistance. -
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Re: How to teach my favorite type of student
Fri, September 25, 2009 - 8:38 AMMy class is very beginners, posture is still a huge issue but rather than rag o them every few minutes I had a great idea the other day. I had everyone stand a circle facing outwards so no one could see each other. Then I moved around the circle working with each student individually for a few minutes while the others kept up a simple move in half time.
No one felt singled out or embarrassed, everyone got hands on personal attention and I got to see exactly what each person was doing wrong and right. It worked out great and every time I sense we need a critique I'm going to employ this again. My students really appreciated the effort to make them feel more comfortable with corrections and with the personal instructions.
A larger class could be split into two groups, one circle facing in, drilling a simple circle move like grape vine while the outfacing one gets the critique. The idea isn't to completely block the view just to create a sense of no one is watching me get my instruction kinda thing.
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Re: How to teach my favorite type of student
Sat, September 26, 2009 - 1:13 AMthat sounds pretty awesome.
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Re: How to teach my favorite type of student
Fri, September 25, 2009 - 4:56 PMThe way that I correct people is kind of a two-step process. First, I'll keep my eyes ahead and remind the entire class "Remember to keep your pelvis tucked!" or " Toes should be pointing forward!" "Remember to look ahead and keep your chin parallel to the floor", etc.
If the person, or people, who need the correction still didn't get it, I walk through the class checking everyone and quietly give corrections and encouragement.
This works fantastically for me and I've never had trouble with people feeling singled out. :)
Hope this is helpful!
Nefabti
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