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OK teachers here is a new dilemma.... I have a new job... that's a good thing but it will keep me on the road alot ! Here's the bad...I will need to take a hiatus from structured class and I am hoping that this will give me a chance to work on improv but I am not sure how....
I will be in some very isolated communites in Ontario Canada and I will have my computer and dance DVD's but not much more space to dance then a little hotel room !!
I would love to take this opportunity to learn improv since no one will be around and it won't matter how goofy I look and since space is limited... but I have no idea how to start with basics for improv...There seems to be very little out there on what basic core things I should be doing or looking at ...music? steps? repetition?
Any ideas would be greatly appreciated...
I have been dancing for about 4 years and am an intermediate student but i will have lots of time in the evenings now for practice so don't be shy about giving me lots of work !
Samira
P.S. I don't want to look like i have just gone to a bar and just let it happen kind of dancing... a little more structure then that is what I am hoping for !
I will be in some very isolated communites in Ontario Canada and I will have my computer and dance DVD's but not much more space to dance then a little hotel room !!
I would love to take this opportunity to learn improv since no one will be around and it won't matter how goofy I look and since space is limited... but I have no idea how to start with basics for improv...There seems to be very little out there on what basic core things I should be doing or looking at ...music? steps? repetition?
Any ideas would be greatly appreciated...
I have been dancing for about 4 years and am an intermediate student but i will have lots of time in the evenings now for practice so don't be shy about giving me lots of work !
Samira
P.S. I don't want to look like i have just gone to a bar and just let it happen kind of dancing... a little more structure then that is what I am hoping for !
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Re: Improv help
Sat, November 22, 2008 - 8:44 AMfirst off, while on the road, pick a a couple pieces of music you are about to get really intimate with and listen to them until you know them backward & forward. Even improvisation has structure, and that structure will depend on the music. I recommend doing a good warm up & practice your drills before trying improv so your movements will be fresh in your mind. You might try picking 3 or 4 specific movements and limiting yourself to those for a song- find all the ways you can combine them and see how those specific movements work with the music. This is kind of like an art class which starts out with only sketching, then only lets you use charcoal, etc. to experiment with the bare bones before letting you open up to free form insanity ;-)
Good luck & have fun!
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Sat, November 22, 2008 - 9:45 AMI agree with Lara, it can help to really know your music, especially when just starting to do improv. You could also drill a couple of 3 or 4 move combination's during your warm up and try to toss those combos in when dancing to your song.
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Sat, November 22, 2008 - 1:14 PMI would focus on one aspect of improvisation at a time and create exercises to develop that aspect. For example, if you are working on creating dynamics changes, you can pick 3-4 moves and combine and execute them in different ways. For example, you can make them smaller, faster, use more space, or use high or low space. With practice, those three moves will become more versatile whenever you need to use them.
If you want to work on musicality, you could break up pieces of the music into phrases. Listen over and over to that phrase. Improvise different combinations that can work with that musical phrase. Take the next phrase and do the same thing. Then put them together, but don't allow the first repetition to duplicate the second so that it's always fresh.
There are many ways you can work on improving your improvisation. I think if you go about it systematically and work on one thing at once, you will be amazed at how quickly you grow. Dancing well isn't just about moves, combinations, and choreographies. You've got to play with everything to push past your comfort zone and grow.
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Sat, November 22, 2008 - 11:13 PMHere's one idea from an instructor I've studied with. Add it to the good suggestions already posted.
Pick a piece of music you know and like. Put the music on.
Listen to the beat.... the 1-2-3-4 counts and dance ONLY to that.
Then replay the same music and listen to the rhythm... the doom-doom-tek-ka-tek bits and dance ONLY to that.
Then replay the same music and listen to the melody... the whine of the violins... the singing accordion... or hell... the wailing of an electric guitar if that's your flavor. Dance ONLY to that.
Then replay the same music again and dance to each of the 3 elements... one at a time... start with the beat for a few seconds... then jump to the rhythm... then jump to the melody... lather, rinse, repeat. Try jumping from one to the other without any patterns too.
You are guaranteed to dance at least 3 different ways to the same piece of music. By training yourself to consciously focus on those 3 elements of the music, you will improve your improv skils. You are training yourself to hear the different elements of the song and dancing to each accordingly. You wouldn't dance staccato to an airy violin piece! Try it. It's not only a good exercise, it's actually FUN to do and experiment with. -
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Sun, November 23, 2008 - 10:26 AMI agree with all posts.so far.
Know your music frontward backward sideways.. and for the times when it is live.. know your rythums. Be able to dance to the heartbeat and/or the breathe of the music.
as for structure.. it is improv - so it forms at the moment if not then it is choreography. Practice as you would perform !.. so go all out- pretend there is someone sitting there and you are trying to show them what the music is telling you..
remember improv still has an entrence and beginning a middle an end and an exit. ie get their attention.. give them a couple of WOW moves- then slow it down, then bring in the drum then leave them wanting more ! -
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Sun, November 23, 2008 - 10:36 AMoh- and a quick tip on phrasing- a lot of music uses the rule of 4 (tho musicians sometimes get carried away and add little extra snippets here & there) this generally means a phrase will be repeated 4 times, tho usually with variation either everytime or 3 times the same with the last one a little different. Tho this is not a hard & fast rule, it is used commonly enough that it can help you predict when the music will change. But every song/band will phrase things a little differently, so this is part of getting to know your music. even in drum solos, listen for the phrasing, not just the rhythm.
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Sat, December 6, 2008 - 9:06 AMSasha, this is the class session that I just taught! The students were brand new to the concept.
We used the intro to the song "Harem" off of BDSS. The intro is rich with the Ney, a beat, a drum pattern, Saiidi rhythm and strong accents.
Doing nothing is a stronger statement than trying to do everything. If there are some strong accents, you may want to try striking a pose and holding it and striking another pose during the next strong accent.
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Sun, November 23, 2008 - 11:51 AMI teach improv - workshop and classes. It took me a while to tell my students and workshop attendants how I do improv. I am more of an improv dancer so it did take a while to explain....how I did it. I work with a live band so that is what I ended up using to teach my girls.
First - the ladies here are right to know the music - that helps for sure. I often just hear a piece and see a particular energy or moves to it...then I use it. If you do not the music or working with a live drummer then understanding the rhythms and how a drummer decides to change is the key. You can guess what they will do -- as long as they are use to working with a dancer and know how to give little cues or create a pattern that you can follow. (My workshops focus on the dancer and drummer working together - creating a flow with a drummer so you both know what to expect.)
Second - Do have your 'thinking' moves. Then you will have a pattern or subset if you feel you are stuck. Be careful they are not just shimmies or something that you may use too much.
Also - Travel...do not stand in one place and just shimmy. Traveling and turning allows you to reuse moves and not look so repetitious.
Most important - practice practice practice improving. Put on something you like and just do it. Then choose something else and dance to that. Get use to not knowing and watching yourself in the mirror or film yourself. Watch for areas that need smoothing out. There is still room in the hotel to jam....just remember to travel when you have room and do not get so use to just staying in one place.
My girls get a lot of tests on improv -- I surprise them and they have to do it on the spot. We refine and refine their technique. They love it now.... I was able to just ask some to improv at our restaurant student night last month and they did it -- they were nervous but had a blast and now say to make them do it again. These are ladies that always needed routines and wanted to develop the technique. I work with them on understanding what is happening in the music and how they can guess even when they do not know the song....and how to cover if it is not what they think is going to happen. But if you know your music then you would not have that issue -- that is more for the live drummer stuff.
Zills are very important with improv to me as they make the dance much more interesting.....you can get baby socks so you do not wake up the neighbors in the hotel...put on your zills to muffle.
good luck and just have fun with it!
phoenix
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Wed, December 3, 2008 - 7:29 PMI started dancing when I was 4, all I knew was choreography. My teacher tried to break me of it and help me improv, but it was difficult. Basically, I got sick of all the choreography I was doing, thats alot of work! And I would pick a song and just dance it out. You have to KNOW the song and just dance freely to it alot. After a while you'll get a few areas down with what you want to do for it. Just get a few set combinations and let the rest flow with the music. But most important with improv is you MUST MUST MUST know your song that youre dancing to. Play it til youre sick of it lol. Best of Luck.
-Ash
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Thu, December 4, 2008 - 6:07 AMlol I'm all about structure :-) I've got a couple articles (For Beginners) on improvising, they ran in Zaghareet last year:
"So you want to improvise?" www.kawakib.com/articlesZAG37.html
and "More improv tips" www.kawakib.com/articlesZAG38.html
good luck!
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Thu, December 4, 2008 - 6:23 AMLots of awesome advice from all different disciplines it look likes! I am somewhat of an ATS junkie, and Improv is a large part of that. I know I drill my moves every day, drill, drill, drill! Then, I pick out a few songs from my collection, and dance. Because I am just by myself, I don't worry about perfection at that moment, I play around with combos and see what works.
Something I would say that is important, is learning how to interpret the music. My troupe/group is completely improv, the music isn't even the same! Also don't worry about looking goofy, have fun!
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Sat, December 6, 2008 - 12:19 AMHeidi -
I agree about interpreting the music. I teach an improv workshop that concentrates on that with zills. I teach the rhythms from the dancer and drummer perspective so that dancers begin to recognize and understand the rhythm...which then allows the dancer to have the ability to know what to expect and not have to know the song itself. I love it! I came up with the workshop series when I realized how many just memorize the zills but do not really understand how to work with the rhythm and vary the patterns. This then filtered into the body movement and working with a live drummer...... working together to communicate what you both are doing and when to change things up. Fun stuff. I think practicing to live music is key with improv....you never know what will happen and learn it quickly.
Also - recovery is a huge concept with improv.....what to do when things change and you did not expect it. Or how to make sure that the audience thinks - you meant to do that....hahaha.
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Fri, December 19, 2008 - 5:40 AMplus, if your gonna be by yourself, have a glass of wine. even when its just you, one can be a little reserved. wine takes the edge off so you can be a little free-er in the mirror. i find, that if i have a piece of music that i love and am having a brain fart as far as improv goes, i have a glass of wine with friends and play around...just make it a little more fun, plus, everyone else gets waited...
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Fri, December 19, 2008 - 5:57 AMGood for you Phoenix, not many people are teaching that I'm sure!! it's funny that all the dancers in the old days of American cabaret used to know how to do that, now hardly anyone wants to touch that.
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Sun, December 21, 2008 - 5:45 PMThanks so much everyone for all the info !! I have printed everything off and will read through your info and keep you posted on my progress... Mondays as it will have it will be days i can work from my home office and by luck my instructor has switched my classes to Mondays in the New Year .. so If i don't have to far to travel on Tuesdays for meetings I can probably make Monday night classes ( not all but some for sure !)
I lucked out on this one...AND she is going to offer a few more workshops and one on Improv !! Yea for me !
Thanks again for all your great ideas !
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