I don't know if this particular question has been asked (on this tribe) before...
How many of you out there require contracts or were were required to sign a contract before you began teaching at a specific facility?
Has this always been so? and if not do you know when/why it was instituted?
and if you do not currently have one - are you considering it?
I'm asking because I have a contract, and instructors that currently teach at my studio have all read/signed it.
It spells out what the relationship between the studio and instructor is, how they get paid, etc.
But I have been speaking with an instructor in another style of dance that we'd like to offer classes in (our studio tagline is "Global Fusion Through Movement and Sound" and so would like to offer a variety of world dances). Anyway, this instructor is balking at the contract - stating that she has always done business on just a handshake, and that not only has she never heard of having to sign a contract, but none of the other instructors she know has had to either.
I don't do business on just a handshake, and will continue to require the contract.
But I'm curious as to if this is common or not?
How many of you out there require contracts or were were required to sign a contract before you began teaching at a specific facility?
Has this always been so? and if not do you know when/why it was instituted?
and if you do not currently have one - are you considering it?
I'm asking because I have a contract, and instructors that currently teach at my studio have all read/signed it.
It spells out what the relationship between the studio and instructor is, how they get paid, etc.
But I have been speaking with an instructor in another style of dance that we'd like to offer classes in (our studio tagline is "Global Fusion Through Movement and Sound" and so would like to offer a variety of world dances). Anyway, this instructor is balking at the contract - stating that she has always done business on just a handshake, and that not only has she never heard of having to sign a contract, but none of the other instructors she know has had to either.
I don't do business on just a handshake, and will continue to require the contract.
But I'm curious as to if this is common or not?
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Re: On signing contracts
Mon, May 5, 2008 - 6:02 AMAlthough I am not an expert in the area, it sounds to me like your contract idea is a good one for both the dancer/teacher and the studio owner (assuming that the stipulations are fair to both parties). So many of the negative stories you hear involve an independent teacher (let's face it, how many of us can afford to own or even rent a studio) who cannot survive because she can't get enough students to make the rental fee for space and get paid for her time.
The advantages to being part of a studio but not owning it are balanced by the level of commitment that must be offered to provide the studio with protection from dance teachers who come and go on a whim (and I am not saying that all or most teacher do this, but there are those in any field who give everyone a bad name).
As long as your terms are reasonable (and perhaps negotiable on some area that the specific individual is balking at) I don't see why anyone would be averse to signing it unless they are only interested in renting space by the hour.
It will be interesting to see how this thread develops.
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Re: On signing contracts
Mon, May 5, 2008 - 9:04 AMAbsolutely I signed a contract with the studio where I teach; to me it's standard good business practice. I can't speak to the commonality, but I would imagine that most studios/teachers would see the mutual benefit of having something on paper saying what is expected, etc.
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Re: On signing contracts
Mon, May 5, 2008 - 2:08 PMLet her know that in this day and age - contracts can protect both of you from any future liability issues as well as insurance problems.
heh.. some people just dont want to sign anything that states they have been Informed and they are responsible for that information.
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Tue, May 6, 2008 - 5:01 AMI teach at two seperate studios. One had me sign a contract ( and I rent space from her - I'm not on "staff"). The other did not (here I am on "staff"). It's not at all unusual in my area and I've heard of other studios that require this. The contract I signed stipulates our rental agreement, studio poicies that I'm responsible for (locking up if I'm the only one here, putting our TP if it's out, not bringing food or drink into the studio, etc). It also states that I agree not to teach belly dance within a certain area so as not to compete with this studio and that any students the studio brings in belong to the studio and any students I bring in belong to me. I find this last one interesting since one can not "own" another person and has no control over whether they choose to stay or go once I might leave this studio. <shrug>
Were I to ever own a studio, I would require contracts of some kind. It's simply good business in this day and age.
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Re: On signing contracts
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 8:48 AMWhile it is true that one cannot "own" another person, the Studio owner is stipulating that she has the right to the marketing list for the people who have come to the Studio because of her marketing efforts. That list is very lucrative and at such time as you leave, it can be a touchy subject as to what you can say to students about where you are going. I had a similar clause in a contract when I was an employee of a Studio, before I began renting my own space, and I think it is standard practice. When I worked at a spa, one of the employees -- it makes a difference employee vs. independent contractor -- stole the list of her clients out of the computer and the spa owner actually sued her for it. Don't know what the outcome was, but it's interesting to think about.......
The other thing that this kind of clause gives the owner rights to is a percentage of private lesson/coaching fees generated from "her" students. This was spelled out explicitly in the contract I worked out with the woman by whom I was employed, at my behest. I didn't want to feel like I had to sneak around concerning who I was working with outside of the studio and whether or not I had to pay her a royalty or commission on that time.
There is a common feeling that a contract only serves to protect the employer, but it is a good idea for ALL parties involved. -
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Re: On signing contracts
Thu, May 15, 2008 - 4:16 AM"While it is true that one cannot "own" another person, the Studio owner is stipulating that she has the right to the marketing list for the people who have come to the Studio because of her marketing efforts."
Hmmm. I hadn't thought about the contact list. I do all my own registration at this studio, so I keep all my own records. The studio owner does a seperate registration at the front desk and has her own records, so the "who owns the records" had never occurred to me. When I signed the contract I was told that I had to give her 30 days to find a replacement instructor before I let students know where I was moving to. I keep track of who comes to me through the studio and who comes to me through my own seperate advertising efforts.
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Re: On signing contracts
Thu, May 15, 2008 - 9:59 AM<When I signed the contract I was told that I had to give her 30 days to find a replacement instructor before I let students know where I was moving to.>
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Re: On signing contracts
Fri, May 16, 2008 - 5:41 AMTo be honest it gave me pause. However, I asked around and it's standard in my area among studio owners. So I was looking at a similar deal no matter where I tried to rent space. The caveat is that I don't have to wait to tell "my" students. The ones I bring in through my own advertising efforts. That's why I keep track of where people heard about my classes.
At this point (7 years later) I don't even know if it would be a huge point. The studio owner and I have gotten to be friends and she has seen that most of the students (about 90%) come in due to my efforts and not hers. I advertise more than she does and I target my dance audience.
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Re: On signing contracts
Fri, May 16, 2008 - 2:32 PM"So I was looking at a similar deal no matter where I tried to rent space."
that clause was in a rental contract? that seems a bit odd! I guess a lot depends on who is doing the advertising- which is another thing I have had in contracts too- what the studio/instructor obligation for publicity is. that was for an event, but it seems it would apply here too, & at least bears discussing at the outset even if it doesn't go in the contract.
It's so nice when everything works out well! I'm glad it did for you!
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Re: On signing contracts
Tue, May 6, 2008 - 1:34 PMContracts make sense, not just on legal terms, but just in letting everyone know exactly what is expected. They can be negotiable, they can be changed at a later date, they can be for a limited or unspecified term, but having SOMETHING written down, discussed & signed is a must. Heck, my parents had me sign a contract outlining certain family rules & consequences at one point. bit extreme perhaps, but I couldn't say I didn't understand what was required. Let her know that it is for her own benefit as well. If she needs to look back and review policy or dates/terms of the agreement, she will have it all right there in her files.
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Re: On signing contracts
Tue, May 6, 2008 - 7:53 PMI can't for the life of me imagine teaching and NOT signing a contract. The mind just boggles that in today's highly litigious society anyone is naive enough to think that a "handshake deal" is good enough for anything. -
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Re: On signing contracts
Thu, May 15, 2008 - 8:16 AMIn my experience, with ALL kinds of clients, those who balk or refuse to sign contracts are the ones with whom you'll have the most difficulty...insist on the contract or don't do business with her...
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Re: On signing contracts
Thu, May 15, 2008 - 10:46 AMRight on Sista!!! I totally agree with you on this point. Better to walk away from someone who won't cooperate with the initial business deal than spend too much of your time and effort trying to corral someone in the future.
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