Student bored and frustrated

topic posted Fri, October 30, 2009 - 9:40 AM by  Leilani
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Hi, Student of 4 years here. Been taking classes from a wonderful Tribal teacher. She is fantastic that she offers different levels which not all middle eastern dance teachers do. For awhle she was offering other classes, alternating between soloing, fusion combos and sword,besides the standard ITS classes. This kept things interesting for type A personality me. Lateley though, she has just been offering ITS. I really enjoy the bond of ITS but it gets boring to me particularly after taking class for 4 years! I am not sure if I want to continue but there is not that many teachers in our area particularly offering different levels. I am almost tempted to just do dvds at home. I don't feel inspired to sign up for next session though I feel like a am in a dilema. She has recommended me to her restaurant that she is the main performer. I help her out with her workload by performing there sometimes. I almost feel pushed to keep going. How does one handle this? I also thought you as teacher might want to get a student's prospective on what goes through a student's mind.
Many of you think student's drop out due to economy. Talking to fellow students, it's usually frustration over something or over a few issues.
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Leilani
Philadelphia
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  • Re: Student bored and frustrated

    Fri, October 30, 2009 - 10:55 AM
    Dear Leilani,
    The Student/Instructor relationship is a 50-50 deal.And four years is a very short time to have been dancing. The instructor offers what she offers and it is her job to be honest with her students as to the level of her ability as an instructor and as to what it is that she offers. EVERY instructor has a finite amount of material that she/he can offer the student. If your instructor peaks out at 4 years for most people, then that is the line where it is time for those who feel they are not getting anything else to move on in one way or another..... or to develop an attitude that they will continue to delve ever deeper into movements that any student can only understand to a certain extent after just 4 years of class. I have been studying for 35 years and teaching for almost as long. I take fundamentals classes with no problem because. like an onion, movement and other elements of dance have layers and layers and layers of depth. For serious dance students, the simplest of movements or ideas can take a long, long time to truly understand at that deepest level. I would suggest that if you like this woman as an instructor, that you continue to take her class and see if you can see what is beneath the obvious, if that makes sense. She may be aware of more than you are currently getting, or she may simply have reached the full extension of her teaching abilities within the dance. I don't know the situation in depth, but both of these sound possible. If you are not happy with her teaching, you can at the very least attend workshops and get new concepts if there is np teacher to move on to. Or, study videos and be honest in your assessment in what you can get off of them, keeping in mind that a video never gives you feedback, so it is harder to progress with them with any kind of surety.
    Best wishes and regards,
    A'isha
  • Re: Student bored and frustrated

    Fri, October 30, 2009 - 12:30 PM
    Talk to your teacher honestly and respectfully. Tell her you are not feeling challenged. Ask her how to get more out of class personally - after 4 years she is sure to have a handle on what you could improve. Ask to swap out some of the work you do for private lessons - or pay for them outright. Expand your world with DVDs and other workshops and bring it home and have her help you incorporate it into your current knowledge. Your new interests may inspire her as well!

    Most importantly, talk to her! I had a student leave once, giving me one complaint about class size but I found out that really it was something entirely different. I felt that it was very unfair to be mislead into addressing a problem that wasn't really her issue.
    It is a 50/50 relationship, as A'isha said. Give her the info she needs to work with you where you need to be - also be open to her evaluation of where you are.

    A 4 year relationship is a terrible thing to let go sour - sit down and have a chat with her :-)

    Mahin
    • Re: Student bored and frustrated

      Sat, October 31, 2009 - 5:11 AM
      Actually I have a large collections of dvd that it's been so hectic lately with work and work dance, that I have not had the time I wish to spend persuing going thru them. The teachers on DVDs I feel I can learn so much from. Some are drills, some are different techniques and styles. With each of these teachers I feel I can grow, expand further.
      • Re: Student bored and frustrated

        Tue, November 3, 2009 - 1:57 PM
        It sounds to me like you are more frustrated with the lack of time and feeling stressed than you are really bored with your instructor. Sometimes we get ourselves into such a busy schedule that we don't take time for ourselves. You may need to take a session and stay home with the DVDs and resume with your instructor in a few weeks or so. Pleas let you instructor know it's nothing personal because after 4 years whe has probably invested some emotion and feels connected to you and will wonder what she has done wrong.

        And, yes there is a lot to learn from videos, if nothing more, a little different perspective. I'd rather see someone in your situation as an instructor than a student who takes a break and ends up losing interest all together!
        take care,
  • Re: Student bored and frustrated

    Mon, November 2, 2009 - 1:44 PM
    I would request private lessons to work on your own goals or suggest a higher level class.
    If you knew of possible 2 or more students who would be interested in working on more intense/challenging/goal-oriented style class I am sure she would be happy to comply (if she has the time)

    ... because just as students can bored with the basics- so do instructors!
    I know I would be thrilled to have a small collection of students who wanted to work harder at getting into the more complex areas of taking their artistry to the next level.

    Just make sure you can define what your goals are so it will be easier for her to supply the appropriate instruction (granted she is willing to do so).
    Are you interested in a historical learning approach- understanding diverse ethnic influences in and of themselves and how they interweave into modern fusion dancing?
    Or are you more interested in the physical challenges of doing more intricate layering and dynamic combinations? learning to choreograph your dances better or improving your improvisation skills?
    Understanding how to work with props?
    Creating stage presence or defining your own unique flavor?
    Or are looking to use your dance practice to sculpt your physical figure & increase muscle strength & stamina?

    The problem that instructors face often enough is how to balance their personal interests with the needs of their students. I think some of the best potential students are too polite in voicing their desires to instructors who would be happy to meet these needs if they were more aware of them. There are so many fascinating and interesting paths you could travel when it comes to learning bellydance- there are lot of routes to exploring what it has to offer.

    Figure out what it is you *really* want and ask her if she can help you find what you're looking for.
    That way if she has no time to meet your needs, she may know just who to send you to or offer another solution.
    • Re: Student bored and frustrated

      Fri, November 13, 2009 - 3:40 PM
      I second the private lesson idea, too, and of course, talk to your teacher!

      Can you afford the time/money to travel to workshops or an intensive? You may find yourself challenged all over again.

      If your instructor is into ITS, does she have a troupe or do group performances? If not, perhaps you could suggest to her that you do some partner ITS performances together. That's when the magic happens with ITS.

      Can you challenge yourself with adding patterns of zils to your movements? Can you offer to help the teacher with her beginner class? Teaching adds a whole new level of learning.

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