HI everyone
just some thoughts i've been pondering of late and wondering which way to turn and thought i'd ask for your experience. My classes run three nights a week - with tribal basics, beyond basics, and then the performance troupe....I actually first started with basics then whisked away students who showed potential to the performance night. After some time I felt the troupe needed an extra night for technique and to bring those that were leaving basics somewhere to move, and developed the middle night - where I pluck from time to time members to join the troupe.
However, my beautiful troupe, many of whom I call my friends now predominantly go on "their"night and while I'd hoped some would continue to develop its now becoming apparent there's two levels of dancers in the class - with the more technically advanced being those who practice or attend private/regular classes with me. My performance night feels very social very lovely but my inner dancer really craves the night where I'd be able NOT to drill technique or go over moves that i've taught xxx times before in an effort to expand our vocab....where we'd stretch our wings and experiment with confidence to different sounds/formations etc
So how often does your troupe attend regular classes? have any of you faced this in your path - readdressing what you've done, and pointed the obvious skill gap/levels (and crushed them? or lived to survive the tale?) To me I guess my goals have changed as more dancers have evolved and developed, I didnt really expect some of them not to have moved with the rest so much....
I'd love to hear your tales of experience
Dee
just some thoughts i've been pondering of late and wondering which way to turn and thought i'd ask for your experience. My classes run three nights a week - with tribal basics, beyond basics, and then the performance troupe....I actually first started with basics then whisked away students who showed potential to the performance night. After some time I felt the troupe needed an extra night for technique and to bring those that were leaving basics somewhere to move, and developed the middle night - where I pluck from time to time members to join the troupe.
However, my beautiful troupe, many of whom I call my friends now predominantly go on "their"night and while I'd hoped some would continue to develop its now becoming apparent there's two levels of dancers in the class - with the more technically advanced being those who practice or attend private/regular classes with me. My performance night feels very social very lovely but my inner dancer really craves the night where I'd be able NOT to drill technique or go over moves that i've taught xxx times before in an effort to expand our vocab....where we'd stretch our wings and experiment with confidence to different sounds/formations etc
So how often does your troupe attend regular classes? have any of you faced this in your path - readdressing what you've done, and pointed the obvious skill gap/levels (and crushed them? or lived to survive the tale?) To me I guess my goals have changed as more dancers have evolved and developed, I didnt really expect some of them not to have moved with the rest so much....
I'd love to hear your tales of experience
Dee
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Wed, March 19, 2008 - 5:21 AMEveryone in my student troop is required to attend a technique class in order to remain in troop. Most of my friends who run troops do the same. I have found that if you don't require everyone to continue working on technique they will drop that due to other time/money/scheduling issues and because it's not as fun as working on performance stuff.
Everyone has to continue to work on technique or they get sloppy and rusty - no matter what level of dancer they are.
Just my experience,
Halleyah
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Wed, March 19, 2008 - 7:04 AMAs a former member of several troupes, I agree that it is necessary to require technique classes as a part of troupe membership. It is very likely that the troupe members who do take the technique class and practice will resent the ones who don't because they will eventually bring the performance level of the troupe down.
Sometimes people need to be reminded that being part of a troupe is a privilege that needs to be earned continuously and can be removed. Even with an established troupe I think you can, as troupe leader, redefine the privileges and responsibilities of membership with an emphasis on the good of the troupe. If members don't feel they need the practice you might suggest that they consider whether being a member of a troupe is the right choice for them at this time. By pointing out the improvements in the dancers who attend class this might lead by example.
Also, if some of the dancers find the social aspect of the "troupe night" more appealing perhaps you should consider adding that as another class thus offering both options. Obviously, that would be based on space, time and cost effectiveness.
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Wed, March 19, 2008 - 7:15 AMHi Dee,
I can understand your frustration!
things have sort of evolved in my case, one of my classes has a very commited core who attend every class and also get together in between to drill and rehearse. they went on to become my performance group .
I don't have a class for them specifically but they all know they will only dance at events if they are prepared to come to extra classes and rehearsals and have developed into a group who have high expectations of each other as well as of me. they also co-write the choregraphies which helps with the commitment to performing them really well i think!
so.. everyone gets to dance at our own haflas. only the troupe do outside events, we all know what it takes to be a part of that, and so far at least, harmony reigns...
Katherine x
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Wed, March 19, 2008 - 10:47 AMMy troupe leader just recently sat us all down again and re-stated her expectations and had us sign a new contract for the upcoming year. One of the things she talked about was this very subject! Right now she is not requiring troupe members to take technique, but has stated that if she sees technique starting to slide that it may be a reason for expulsion from the troupe.
I absolutely think that it's a better idea to require a weekly technique class, however. I can think of few people (including myself!) who are consistant about drilling basic technique at home alone!
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Wed, March 19, 2008 - 6:39 PMMy troupe is required to attend weekly classes in which we work on technique, Improv and overall honing of skills.
They are also required to sign contracts in which they agree to take workshops and/or private lessons from other skilled/experienced instructors.
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Wed, March 19, 2008 - 2:51 PMYes we attend many classes when in the troupe. Most of us still attend the beginners classes because it is great to drill the basics.
My week consist of Belly Basics I (2 to 4 hours), Belly Basics II (2hours), Combo (our intermediate class) (2 hours), Troupe (2 to 3 hours). On top of that we are expected to practice at home.
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Wed, March 19, 2008 - 9:00 PMWe require everyone in pro and student troupes to attend the Level 3 class, and we encourage them to take Level 2 continually as well. Troupe is time to rehearse for gigs, and hone our group dynamic. Class is for honing our general dance skills, something that we don't have time for in only a two hour rehearsal each week. -
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Wed, March 19, 2008 - 10:22 PM<<So how often does your troupe attend regular classes? have any of you faced this in your path - readdressing what you've done, and pointed the obvious skill gap/levels (and crushed them? or lived to survive the tale?) >>
Sister troupe 2 hours per week, same night. Pros 2 nights, 2 hours each night. Always recommend revisiting the basics to them and I hope no one thinks it is an insult, but simply a continuation of their education. I utilize more experienced dancers in basics classes for demonstrations and to work with newer dancers to help hone their understanding of moves and to help them progress as teachers, if they are so inclined.
I have faced needing to redefine and then set the course several times over the years with mixed success. At times, I have been too soft in my follow through; other times probably too rigid. It always depends on the personality of the person receiving I guess and how badly I want to make the change happen. I have totally crashed and burned a few times in my efforts, but am still here to tell the tale ;)
My advise is to be honest and up front, while being as respectful and aware of feelings as you can be. Speak from the heart and have the troupe's longevity and best interest at heart, while not setting aside your own creative needs and vision. I have found myself holding back from progress due to other's limitations. In certain situations this was the right thing to do at the time and at other times it just prolongs the inevitable break that needs to happen. Sorry, that's probably not much help! Good luck :)
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Thu, March 20, 2008 - 4:19 AMWhen I had a troupe, we rehearsed 9 hours a week. Each night was 3 hours of rehearsal. Two were class nights and one was troupe rehearsal night that they did not pay to attend. That's why I don't have a troupe anymore. It was too time consuming.
Taaj
www.taaj.org
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Thu, March 20, 2008 - 8:57 AMWell, I'm sorta on the opposite end of the spectrum. But in our case, we are isolated by geography.
See, we're in a more remote part of the country where Bellydance is SO outrageous and wild. So, when we have women (and we're still waiting for our 1st man!) who are interested in dancing in a troupe... we say come on in!
We make sure they've had the basic knowledge for about 6 months or so, but after that they are welcome to come on in, learn our choreographies and perform with us. We don't "require" anything right now, other than a one night (2hrs) committment to work on either choreography, socializing, or the talk about the future of our troupe (expectations!) They don't have to sign anything or pay anything.
Are you in a location where if one person isn't fulfilling the stated troupe expectations, they can go to another troupe in town? Or is it like us, where we're pretty much it, and we want our community know that we're a tribe of kind and welcoming women. I'm not saying that having certain criteria is bad, actually I think it's good if you're trying to get to a certain goal level of dancing or something (for example, Unmata... they look for dancers who can dance like they do...) But, if you're the only option locally, I'd consider being very accepting. It'll build the community of dance in your town to a whole new level. And maybe if you're troupe gets big enough and has certain choreographed pieces everyone can do...maybe a few dancers who match skill level could work on a few pieces on their own to fulfill the artistic dance drive they have.
Anywhoos, I agree though that stated group expectations will prevent unneccessary heartache. It's a great idea to sit everyone down and say "hey, this is what we want as a collective! Let's each make it happen!" -
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Thu, March 20, 2008 - 3:28 PMthanks for all the advice lately
i'm a metropolitan tribal teacher - in a big old cabaret town - there are 3 groups who would either dabble with tribal choreographies or teach tribal - mine is the only improv group and I try to focus really highly on technique, posture etc. We're pretty full on, I dont care what shape or size anyone is but I expect a certain level of fitness in my dancers and dont slow down for anyone (I really wanted a high energy troupe created - nothing on par with unmata but I wanted dancers to really be able to dance, I guess in a reaction to previous groups Id been part of which catered more for the less advanced members in the class) - so my group is fairly young, we'd range from mid twenties to mid-forties. We've always maintained a really lovely community feel which is part of my own issue to overcome that this has been festering in the back of my mind...and from talking to a couple of my troupe members there's been a bit of confusion about the middle class that they both never felt it was created with them in mind. I'm also now thinking that I'll be revising the troupe every 6 months or so, to ensure the expectations are maintained - do you ladies do this?
I know that im definitely feeling more comfortable about saying "enough" and dictating the two night requirement and its only natural that the standard will raise accordingly. Im also intrigued as ive given them a dvd to watch this week of our last performance and asked them all to watch it by class return this week - normally when i give them the dvds i know they dont watch it, a lot arent comfortable with watching themselves on tape (which makes me also wonder if they do utilise the mirrors in class) but it was the wake up call for me that standards are where they are.
Often i've found our dvd performances when watched over time do show an amazing level of growth as a group- do you ladies use these tools in your teaching to capture that etc? -
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Thu, March 20, 2008 - 10:21 PMWe've had this issue with our troupe as well. Trust me, if you are feeling this as the Director then the dancers in your group that put the effort into extra practice are also feeling it. To keep everyone on the same page , we've got it set up where we have to audition for whatever dance we want to perform in an event. You mention that your troupe is improvisation so that might not work; What about allocating "choice" positions (like a symphony does. 1st chair flautist, etc;). If you wish to perform in the choice position then you must audition for the spot. Setting goals & a little friendly competion has always been a benefit that has kept me stimulated to practice & attend extra practices to keep up in my troupe.
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Thu, March 20, 2008 - 10:53 PMI highly encourage everyone to have a written code of conduct- even if you are a fairly informal group, even if things are going well now. If everyone knows what to expect, you can avert problems in the future, if needs be point to the written code of conduct to give warning, and honestly it can be less stressful as a group member knowing what is expected of you. You can either do this on your own as troupe director/organizer or put the code together as a group. It can be as minimal as "when we are here, we are here to dance, please save conversation for after rehearsal. Please be respectful of other dancers in your words and actions," all the way up to rules for attendance, hygiene and continuing education. One other thing to consider is whether the group will continue if you want to move on for some reason. Is your group run strictly on a personality or on good organization? A group that has a firm set of goals and a structured code of conduct is more likely to continue if the leader becomes ill, moves away or needs to reprioritize her/his life for one reason or another. Remember that goals and rules can (and should) be amended as the group grows and changes, but having something down on paper (and enforcing it!) makes a huge difference!
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Fri, March 21, 2008 - 5:22 AMriver, thanks for this post. i am in a very rural area-- the options for dance are incredibly limited here -- actually, there is only really one other teacher. several of the people who are in my "troupe"" are in the other teacher's as well. very incestuous. recently, i've been struggling with the idea of art versus community-- do i get hard-ass and only let the ones who can do it well dance, for the sake of the art, or do i let everyone dance, for the sake of community? with limited performance opportunities, community feels more important right now, though there are certainly times when "art" feels more important. a rough call there! where is the happy medium? -
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Fri, March 21, 2008 - 8:08 AMI think that you can find a happy medium, Angela. Maybe you could challenge your more advanced students to choreograph their own piece to a song they choose. Then when your whole group dances they will feel satisfied community-wise, and when your advanced students perform they can be proud too, because they'll get to perform something they worked hard on themselves. I think it would be a gentle reminder for everyone in the troupe who wants more challenging work, to keep practicing and then eventually they'll be able to have more artistic freedom themselves.
But like I said, right now, for us too, it's all about keeping the community alive and growing. If you've got any ideas, send 'em my way! =)
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Wed, April 9, 2008 - 12:40 PMour troupe practice is once a week for three hours. we do a 15 min. warmup, 45 min drills, 30 conditioning, a little break and combo and improve practice after that.
it is also "strongly suggested" that they take at least another class and/or practice at home with dvd's or on their own another two times a week.
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Thu, April 10, 2008 - 2:15 PMBoth my main troupe and student troupe are required to take regular and technique classes. My troupe is also required to take a miminum of 2 workshops a year with major dancers. I would love to require more but a couple of my ladies have some financial problems and I figure 1 workshop every 6 months is doable for anybody.
This is from our troupe agreement:
" A troupe member or potential troupe member must demonstrate ability to master the choreography, show up reliably for rehearsals and shows, show a team attitude toward sharing the goals of the group, and perform competently in student shows.
• If you don't practice, you don't dance. Period. All absences must be coordinated with the Director.
• Willingness to invest in required costuming and wear required make-up
• Little fear of performing
• Good interpersonal skills
• Willingness to take direction
• Willingness to learn about and respect the cultures we represent
• Respect and consideration for your dance family
Troupe Members are expected to attend ***a minimum of 2 workshops per calender year*** - one must be a “major” workshop with a regionally, nationally, or internationally known/recognized dancer and one may be with a “minor' workshop with a “lesser known” regional dancer.
We are a dance family committed to honoring our art form and supporting the talents of the collective - above and beyond ourselves. This art form is often misunderstood and so it is imperative that each member of the troupe understands that when we are performing we are representing a culture—and in so doing you must take the dance seriously." -
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Mon, April 28, 2008 - 12:57 AMHI all
I thought I'd add some conclusion to this :)
Thanking you all for your added input, I drafted up a troupe document which set down our expectations after having discussions with different members of the troupe, including my basic teachers (and thank you for those who sent drafted troupe guidelines & tips). So I put it out there that I wanted more practice time from everyone to hone technique - and changed the expectation of troupe night to be the challenging night. I even got tougher on myself and let those hear about their arms etc not in the right places, became more of a teacher than a friend i felt.
So now a few weeks later I've got a much better combined technique class and I dont feel like i'm teaching the same class two nights in a row with very little difference, the girls are more committed - one member actually let go of one other competing interest in return for focusing on troupe and being there for the extra practice. One member actually stepped out of troupe and into a private class arrangement - so for me the result is I do feel like there is a good committed core....and everyone knows what's expected of them.
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Mon, April 28, 2008 - 6:22 AMIsn't it amazing how people will go so far above our expectations. Perhaps all they needed was the knowledge that more was expected of them.
Sometimes we put off confrontation due to our own insecurities (surely I have done it) but when the moment arrives it is not so painful as we anticipate and the results are often quite positive. "They" do say that human beings are resistant to change and yet we often thrive on it.
Hope you enjoy your newly energized troupe experience.
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Fri, May 2, 2008 - 3:34 PMIm one of Dees students and was in the troupe... briefly.... but I was there :)
Im the dancer who decided to opt out and take private lessons. Im abit of a strange one in the Blossoms, rather unique in that I dance predominatly as a Gohic Fusion soloist. I have developed my own style and my own way that I prefer to do things. I did feel Tuesdays and Mondays were pretty much the same just different people and one class was harder than the other- I also felt Tuesdays were not challenging enough and Monday was abit more difficult. I havent been to formal classes since Dee has reformatted, but from what she has told me its a change that needed to happen. I dont feel it as confronting but more a time of growth. And this is only but the first of many more descisions you will have to make in order for the troupe to grow. .
I loved my first private lesson. I am different from the others and have a different focus as to where I want to go. I think Dee was alittle sad when I said I was more committed to my own dance than to the Blossoms - but She is still a large part of my dance journey. Private lessons suit me way better at the moment because we look at different things that are useful to me in my gothic fusion. Technique wise I have Dees full attention and only good results come from that. I guess Im the selfish Blossom I want my teacher all to myself in class lol!
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