When i first started bellydance classes my teacher (although a great dancer) shouted at me for getting the moves wrong
singled me out and made me feel utterly useless so that i nearly gave up.I originaly wanted to go into a beginners class but she insisted i join the improvers.after getting very upset
i complained and left her classes she banned me from her workshops.
Later when i went to various workshops and classes with different teachers i realised it wasn't me it was just my bad luck
singled me out and made me feel utterly useless so that i nearly gave up.I originaly wanted to go into a beginners class but she insisted i join the improvers.after getting very upset
i complained and left her classes she banned me from her workshops.
Later when i went to various workshops and classes with different teachers i realised it wasn't me it was just my bad luck
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Re: What about what makes a bad teacher?
Mon, March 17, 2008 - 7:56 AMI would reference you to this tribe tribes.tribe.net/bellydanc...c3ab19a4ee
A lot of this is covered in that thread.
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Re: What about what makes a bad teacher?
Mon, March 17, 2008 - 9:03 AMthanks ..so many tribes
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Re: What about what makes a bad teacher?
Sun, April 20, 2008 - 5:03 PMI am so yelling at you next time :P -
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Re: What about what makes a bad teacher?
Sun, April 20, 2008 - 6:06 PMSORRY!!! I know I missed class...in my own defense, if I had come to class there was a better than average chance that I would have thrown up at some point...figured it was better if I stayed home in those circumstances. -
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Re: What about what makes a bad teacher?
Sun, April 20, 2008 - 8:30 PMKeep your puke to yourself there, sister!
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Re: What about what makes a bad teacher?
Mon, March 17, 2008 - 10:26 AMOne of the worst traits a teacher can have is "territorialism". A teacher who tries to prevent her students from taking from other teachers can hurt her students so much. -
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Re: What about what makes a bad teacher?
Mon, March 17, 2008 - 11:34 AMOMG! I know...
My partner & I are going through something a bit like this.
One of the places she instructed at has terminated her position there because of her involvement w/ our little studio (even though we are far enough away not to be direct competitors). We've heard from students that have been told that they cannot dance in recitals or other community events w/ any of their classes at THAT studio if the take even one of our classes. How sad is that?
We on the other hand - advocate studying under as many instructors or schools as you need to round out your art and become a beatuiful, polished dancer. This would include DVDs and Workshops to.
Needless to say, the attitude/stance the OTHER studio has take is already coming back to bite the owner in the arse... Nearly all of my partner's students from there are switching to her class at our studio instead. And those what were taking other classes there are now planning on those other classes being here instead. Some students even going so far as to ask for refunds for remaining lessons at the other studio.
We are not activily trying to lure these students away - but when the found out Kimara was no longer going to be teaching at that location, they all began calling/writing us. We're certainly not going to turn them away - and do apprectiate the additional influx, no matter what the cause.
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Re: What about what makes a bad teacher?
Tue, March 25, 2008 - 10:32 AM"One of the worst traits a teacher can have is "territorialism". "
I think this also extends to teachers who get upset if their students form a troupe outside of the class. I've heard of this happening more than once - as if the instructor is somehow entitled to approving of any troupes her students put together.
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Re: What about what makes a bad teacher?
Tue, March 18, 2008 - 6:48 AMI've never had a bad teacher thank goodness. But I've seen others teach & got a taste of what it could be like.
My pet peeve would be a teacher who can't really connect with the music, in terms of counting to start with... and hearing any details like phrasing, dynamics, etc.
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Re: What about what makes a bad teacher?
Tue, March 18, 2008 - 7:27 AMHere's my "bad teacher" list:
* can't count on the beat
* doesn't dance musically
* repeats myths and says they are historical facts
* "steals" other people's work and calls it her own
* uses students to build her own ego
* keeps the talented students down for fear that they will overshadow her
* can only teach in one modality
* only knows one style of dance
* doesn't notice or care that students aren't picking up the material
* can't break material down into manageable parts
* doesn't evolve and grow
* can't problem solve reasonably
* alienates people who ask for more
* under cuts
* doesn't apply rules fairly to everyone
* bad mouths other teachers and dancers
* bans her students from taking from other people, even if she doesn't say this, she may practice it by "punishing" those who do
* speaks in absolutes ("I am THE BEST dancer" or "This is the only authentic way to dance.")
* won't admit it when she doesn't know something
I am a lot more tolerant of teachers who teach out of love for the dance, but have little skill than I am of teachers who are just mean, withholding, punishing and jealous. The former can learn. The latter rarely does.
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Re: What about what makes a bad teacher?
Tue, March 18, 2008 - 7:57 AMI agree with all of them. Expecially the one that she takes other peoples work and says its hers!!!
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Re: What about what makes a bad teacher?
Tue, March 18, 2008 - 8:09 AMOut of curiosity, why is only knowing one style a bad thing in a teacher? -
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Re: What about what makes a bad teacher?
Tue, March 18, 2008 - 9:09 AMI think what she's trying to get at is that a good teacher should at least have knowledge about various styles of bellydance — tribal fusion with choreography vs. tribal improv, maybe even the differences between what FCBC does and GC does; tribal and cabaret compared with each other (how posture is, arms are held, and moves executed); and even things such as identifying the differences between, say, Egyptian-style dance and Turkish-style dance.
Maybe the teacher isn't a fluid dancer in more than one style of bellydance, but if she is a godo one, she should be able to identify what the differences are, and if the student wants to learn another style, be able to recommend teachers and workshops to take. -
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Tue, March 18, 2008 - 9:18 AMOh ok, I took knowing to mean 'knowing how to dance,' not 'lives in a bubble.' -
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Re: What about what makes a bad teacher?
Tue, March 18, 2008 - 9:43 AMLOL!
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Re: What about what makes a bad teacher?
Tue, March 18, 2008 - 9:28 AMvery good observation. SPOT ON
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Re: What about what makes a bad teacher?
Tue, March 18, 2008 - 1:33 PMYes, thanks for clarifying that for me. I think that most people do primarily one style, but I think that a good teacher knows how to identify stylistic and costuming differences of other styles. If she doesn't know the differences, how can she correct her students if they mash it all together?
Taaj
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Re: What about what makes a bad teacher?
Wed, March 19, 2008 - 11:59 AMAmen. I caught a YouTube video of a girl from Brazil who was claiming to do ghawazi dance. I got excited, until I viewed it — she was wearing the midriff blouse, skirt, and hipscarf combo of a typical Renfaire "gypsy" and was dancing with fans and did a lot of floorwork.
Yeeargh. She was a lovely dancer, but that was NOT ghawazi dance. Not even a few ghawazi moves in there.
Artemis Mourat has said often, there is nothing wrong with good fusion dance, but know what you are fusing, and be able to identify it as fusion. Don't call it something that it is not.
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Re: What about what makes a bad teacher?
Tue, March 18, 2008 - 8:24 AMthankyou. you have summed up the particular teacher i was talking about .
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Re: What about what makes a bad teacher?
Wed, March 19, 2008 - 5:55 AMOh, here's a couple more:
* Uses the same material over and over for years without any updates or additions.
* Produces dancers who are clones of herself.
* Takes more in "agent fees" than she pays the person who is doing the gig.
* Rules the community/competition through legal threats and intimidation.
* Sets up false credentials for herself and/or her students to make herself look more prestigious.
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Re: What about what makes a bad teacher?
Mon, March 24, 2008 - 9:26 AMMy first teacher would be considered bad, I think:
She stole choreography and called it her own.
She would tell us all to choreograph our own solos and then when she saw them, told us we could not use any movements that she did not teach us.
She would keep all the money from the gigs because "she was the only one that was a professional"
We only had one group routine (which was stolen). She would not give us a second one because the first one "wasn't good enough yet."
She would constantly say how ungrateful we all were and complain that we did not worship her.
She would watch a DVD from a teachers and troupes and then decide we need to all look exactly like that that and then change our costumes to emulate her/them.
She would squelch any creativity from troupe members. She was the only one allowed to have ideas even though she had little talent in that area.
And the number one thing that this bad teacher did: Lie!! She lied all the time, and most of her lies were to embarrass others. She would even give out dance report cards with lies on them about how awful we all were. Then when confronted with the lies, she would lie some more. It is impossible to argue with a liar. They have unlimited "facts' to bring in!! -
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Re: What about what makes a bad teacher?
Mon, March 24, 2008 - 9:49 AMWhoa Jez, that is a horrible, horrible teacher - sounds like a real piece of work !!!!!
I am soooo happy you are away from the likes of her and onto much bigger and better things !!! I'm also glad that after an experience like that it didn't cause you or the rest of the girls to just give up dance altogether --- I could see where that could cause newer folks to be so discouraged that they just say to heck with it. -
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Re: What about what makes a bad teacher?
Mon, March 24, 2008 - 10:00 AMVery true!! We came very close to not even dancing at all because of this.
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Re: What about what makes a bad teacher?
Sat, April 5, 2008 - 2:26 PMTake all that and add, "Shines spot light on own daughters while paying little attention to others in class," and you sound like you're talking about somebody I know! Crazy little world.
~*Spoon*~
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Re: What about what makes a bad teacher?
Mon, March 24, 2008 - 11:19 AMI went through the same thing with a teacher.
Aside from actively criticising students in a non-constructive fashion, poor teachers don't speak up, they are more interested in watching themselves dance in the mirror than they are in instructing. They don't spend enough, if any, time breaking things down before launching into a choreography or combination. -
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Re: What about what makes a bad teacher?
Mon, March 24, 2008 - 2:27 PMA dance report card? Where you earning college credit? This is an awful idea, especially for beginners who are just gaining the muscle memory and range of motion for many moves.
I do love instruction, though. Drill me; pull me; touch me; teach me.
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Re: What about what makes a bad teacher?
Fri, April 4, 2008 - 11:52 PMI actually take classes from a great teacher who...
*gives us yearly evaluations - which helps us work on individual technique and points out areas needing improvement along with our strongest areas.
*Only goes on to new choreographies once the ones we are working on are worthy of being on the stage.
*Has 100% control and say in the creative input. We call that a "Creative Director".
*Shows us DVDs of other dancers to give us ambition to strive for higher ground.
*Keeps the money from any paid performances because she takes the time to book events, promote our group, teach our classes, organize our costuming, create our choreographies, and negotiate with prospective venues.
*Critiques our individual solos and doesn't allow us to do any moves that may make us look untrained, unprofessional, or just plain ridiculous.
*Is very respected by all of her students because she is very (sometimes brutally) honest about our abilities and capabilities. Sometimes people don't want to hear the truth about something they have really worked hard at, but who wants to be babied, just to look like a fool?
I just think dancers (especially bellydancers) need to really decide whether they take classes to have fun, talk to each other, buy glittery costumes, and fluff their skirts--or if they really want to learn to dance!
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Re: What about what makes a bad teacher?
Fri, April 11, 2008 - 1:37 PMa good teacher will stress how important proper posture is.
i cannot tell you how much work i've had to do with my students who have trained with our local "professional" school. they were complaining about sharp pains in their back and shoulders. i broke down the proper posture for them and things are completely better now.
and these girls were in the other teachers' advanced classes!
other marks of a bad teacher:
- unless you fit her barbie body ideal, she'll keep you in her intermediate class forever, to milk money from you. if you decide to move forward of your own volition, she kicks you out of classes and bad mouths you to anyone who will listen.
- she won't critique you at all. no constructive criticism, no praise. unless you're one of her drinking buddies that kiss up to her constantly.
- although the class will be labeled a technique class, she doesn't teach the same subject material consistantly. one week, it's follow the bouncing butt. next week, it's a snippet of a choreography, week three is a little bit of cane. week four will be more follow the bouncing butt.
- she has her advanced class show up halfway through the intermediate class, which takes up space and creates an environment of intimidation. it isn't rare for the advanced girls to also plop themselves in the front row, displacing the people who were there first.
- she doesn't share information on other dance events in the area. when asked about it, she claims that if she felt it was worth anything, she would tell her students. even if it is a well respected, internationally known dancer.
- she encourages drinking to loosen up before a performance. a true professional will have tools and tricks to calm themselves without it.
- she makes derogatory comments about gay people during class.
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Re: What about what makes a bad teacher?
Fri, April 11, 2008 - 1:38 PMa good teacher will stress how important proper posture is.
i cannot tell you how much work i've had to do with my students who have trained with our local "professional" school. they were complaining about sharp pains in their back and shoulders. i broke down the proper posture for them and things are completely better now.
and these girls were in the other teachers' advanced classes!
other marks of a bad teacher:
- unless you fit her barbie body ideal, she'll keep you in her intermediate class forever, to milk money from you. if you decide to move forward of your own volition, she kicks you out of classes and bad mouths you to anyone who will listen.
- she won't critique you at all. no constructive criticism, no praise. unless you're one of her drinking buddies that kiss up to her constantly.
- although the class will be labeled a technique class, she doesn't teach the same subject material consistantly. one week, it's follow the bouncing butt. next week, it's a snippet of a choreography, week three is a little bit of cane. week four will be more follow the bouncing butt.
- she has her advanced class show up halfway through the intermediate class, which takes up space and creates an environment of intimidation. it isn't rare for the advanced girls to also plop themselves in the front row, displacing the people who were there first.
- she doesn't share information on other dance events in the area. when asked about it, she claims that if she felt it was worth anything, she would tell her students. even if it is a well respected, internationally known dancer.
- she encourages drinking to loosen up before a performance. a true professional will have tools and tricks to calm themselves without it.
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Re: What about what makes a bad teacher?
Fri, April 18, 2008 - 6:01 PMoops! i didn't realize that this had posted twice.... sorry!
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